The StG 45(M) (Sturmgewehr 45 literally "storm rifle" or "assault rifle 1945") sometimes referred to as the MP 45(M), was a prototype assault rifle developed by Mauser for the Wehrmacht at the end of World War II, using an innovative roller-delayed blowback operating system. I’ve gotten to take apart an original second model FG-42, and play with an SMG reproduction second model (and shoot against one in a 2-gun match), but I’ve never gotten my hands on an original […], Ott-Helmuth (Otto, after he emigrated to the US) von Lossnitzer was a remarkable firearms engineer. Enter your email address to receive notifications of new posts by email. Case in point, the “StG 45 prototype”. If it is really a Swiss prototype, more info, pictures and so on would be available I supppose. One of the fun parts of pursuing prototype and experimental firearms is that there isn’t much written or known about many of them – it’s like a great treasure hunt. Enjoy what you read on Forgotten Weapons? Romanian stuff is similar…..why not just claim its romanian? The STG-45 is a select-fire assault rifle designed by Mauser. The locking system doesn’t look like any of the swiss systems I’ve seen but the complete gun looks much like the MP40 series and could easily be a development by ERMA or one of their engineers. The only thing on it that really looks German is the pistol grip, butstock and rear of the receiver which are obviously heavily inspired by the MP-38/40. It’s a legitimately interesting prototype, just not worth anything near the insane asking price (especially given it being  chambered in an unknown and thus unavailable cartridge).

Looks like the love child of an MP40 & a FAL… Wish I could buy one! By the mid-1940s, the Nazis already had mass produced the STG-44 a full 3 years before Mauser started working on plans to make a more light weight carbine chambered in the 7.92x33mm Kurz ammunition. A total of 30 STG-45s in all were ever manufactured. Much more Swiss-looking than German. The answer would be to have a chamber cast made which determine the origin of this rifle. Almost certainly Swiss – they experimented with a lot of German-inspired arms ideas (like this one, for instance) in the years following WWII.

Germany eventually purchased the license for the CETME design and manufactured the Heckler & Koch G3 as well as an entire line of weapons built on the same system, one of the most famous being the MP5. The STG-45 ("SturmGewehr 1945" or "Storm Rifle 1945") is a select-fire assault rifle designed and developed by Mauser during World War 2.

StG-44 & StG-45 . Is it possible this was made by Russia (or Russian influenced country?)

Even prototypes of some pretty obscure types were proofed in Switzerland. The StG 45(M) (Sturmgewehr 45 literally "storm rifle" or "assault rifle 1945") sometimes referred to as the MP 45(M), was a prototype assault rifle developed by Mauser for the Wehrmacht at the end of World War II, using an innovative roller-delayed blowback operating system. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Given that the every single other known German late-war prototype stuck with the MP44 mag and the 7.92×33 cartridge, one would have to wonder why this gun would be the lone exception. Top: Gerat 06(H) Bottom: Gerat 06 (Matthew Moss) One of Mauser’s scientists, Dr Carl Maier, analysed the 06’s action and noticed bolt bounce before the action locked. You may recognize it: According the the internet, the is an “StG-45 prototype” On the other hand production guns in Hungary had few proofs of any type….its hard enough sometimes just to find the serial number. Although it wouldn’t come under Russian control until 1960. in this formindable website)…, Yeah, I’ve seen people speculate that the gun is fake. For comparison there are quite many info on other Swiss prototypes of their ‘Sturmgewehre’ (incl. This product is formulated with specialty binding agents to achieve lowest amount of bleed and evaporations. The mag is not an MP44 magazine, it’s too long front to back. While the Sturmgewehr-44 is often heralded as the grandfather of all modern assault rifles, it’s often forgotten brother; the StG-45 should rightfully share in some of the glory. A few other post-World War II weapons used the roller-delayed locking system, such as the SIG SG 510. Case in point, the “StG 45 prototype”.

As a result, gas relief flutes were cut into the chamber, allowing the combustion gas to stream past the cartridge case and thus relieving the pressure. The mag has little to do with it and you’ll find that there were a number of other developments going on throughout WWII in Germany and other countries as well. Your email address will not be published. Caliber could be various 7,62 or 7,92 Kurtz,to build any firearm its recquires great machinist and welding skills…, A real Stg-45 prototype would almost certainly be roller-delayed blowback design, correct? StG-45 Horn Prototypes December 9, 2015 Ian McCollum Prototype , Select-fire Rifles 136 Herr Horn (I have seen his name given as both N.V. Horn and V.G. Possibly Czechoslovakia? AFAIK one assault rifle was developed, a derivative of the StG-44 (chambered in 7.62×39). Now I have a feeling that this may be East German.

The German technicians involved in developing the Sturmgewehr 45 continued their research in France at CEAM.

[1] It was realized that with careful attention to the mechanical ratios, the gas system could be omitted. It’s not German at all.

So what is it? The STG-45 was the result of such plans, however the problem with the weapon was that it was prone to jamming. Three versions were made, chambered in .30 Carbine, 7.92×33mm Kurz as well as the 7.65×35mm cartridge developed by Cartoucherie de Valence and adopted in 1948. Please consider, Book Review: Ott-Helmuth von Lossnitzer, Technical Director of the Mauser Company 1933-1945, https://www.forgottenweapons.com/stg45-at-an-ipsc-3-gun-match-video/, http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n430/petrus_optimus/Misc/DDR_StG_4174041_zps5d30b11c.jpg, http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n430/petrus_optimus/Misc/DDR_StG_4174043_zps4af247be.jpg. The shorter magazine was used by Mauser engineers during testing, as its lower profile was easier to use when test-firing at the Mauser facility range. I say it’s gas operated because that is what he told me, and is knowledgeable enough to know. I don’t think its swiss as it just doesn’t look right for that either. Of course, the downside is that it’s a lot harder to distinguish originals from fakes, and recognize real stories from ones that have been changed in translation or wholly fabrcated. If the East Germans had built something along the lines of the StG-44, why should they have not built another rifle that took advantage of features of the MP-40, AK, SKS and so on? Well, we just happen to have some photos of it disassembled, in case you are curious: It’s a gas-operated design, with a tilting block bolt. It was also the shortest serving weapon of the German Reich.. History Edit. […]. The sights and magazine catch also look very different from any of the other German prototypes of that period. There is a piston, a port assembly and a carrier which locks and unlocks the bolt by camming it down into a shoulder just behind the magwell. Available in a variety of different models from classic to ultra modern, this firearm is sure to please any enthusiast. The 06(H), sometimes referred to as the StG 45(M), was developed from the earlier Gerat 06 which used a gas operated, roller-locked action designed by Wilhelm Stahle. STG-45 is a non-reactive, Silicone, Thermally Conductive Grease with a high thermal conductivity and low thermal resistance with a soft, non-flowable consistency. Probably (though I think it would be 7.5, rather then 7.62). I was wondering what it was, since it didn’t seem like an evolution of the STG44. This gun has been on and off the market since the later 1970s, most recently on GunBroker a couple years ago for an asking price of a cool $100,000. Vorgrimler later went to work at CETME in Spain and developed the line of CETME automatic rifles. The weapon is compatible with both the use of a smaller 10 round magazine, as well as the 30 round magazine chambered in the STG-44's 7.92x33mm Kurz ammunition. http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n430/petrus_optimus/Misc/DDR_StG_4174043_zps4af247be.jpg. The Swiss tested two very similar cartridges in the late Forties/early Fifties, the Mle. by Ian McCollum, Last Ditch Innovation: The Development of the Gerat 06 and Gerat 06H Rifles (video), https://worldwartwo.wikia.org/wiki/StG_45(M)?oldid=16409. Feldgrau.com—German weapons of World War II, Do You Know Your HK’s Parents? You may recognize it: It really is a gun, and a registered transferable machine gun at that – but it’s not an StG45. [2] The resultant weapon, the Gerät 06H (the "H" suffix is an abbreviation for halbverriegelt or "half-locked") was assigned the designation StG 45(M) (Sturmgewehr 45(M)). If not 7.92 Kurtz, anyone hazard a guess as to the chambering? The bolt and carrier remind me of an SKS (or perhaps a VZ58, although that has an additional locking block) and the top cover and recoil spring looks like an AK. Commentdocument.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a92c44b42c02172068a3feb9926fba49" );document.getElementById("f4ad19ad9f").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Compared to the StG44's cost of 70 Reichsmarks, the StG45(M)'s calculated cost was 45 Reichsmarks.

It would look like this: https://www.forgottenweapons.com/stg45-at-an-ipsc-3-gun-match-video/, I believe there were more than one StG.45 prototypes – we know at least Mauser one (THE Stg.45(M)), Haenel and Grossfuss / Horn

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